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    • Hilda Mary Joy (1882-1915) - RMS Lusitania
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  • Cowkeeping Family Histories and Memoirs - Intro.
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    • The Capstick Family of Sandy Lane Farm
    • The Capstick Family of Marlborough Road
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    • The Harper and Stockdale Families
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  Dave Joy - Author

Good News

6/10/2019

9 Comments

 
I'm delighted to announce that I have just received a clean bill of health! So, I am once again open for business and am now taking bookings for talks. Thanks for all your patience, support and best wishes. It's good to be back. Dave.
9 Comments
Rachel Goody
25/10/2019 09:23:00 pm

Hi,
My Grandmothers father was Robert Hogg and mother was Jessie Hogg. Robert (My great grandfather) ran the Jericho dairy farm from when he was 19 after his father died. Around 1925. (I think) Do you have any further information on this? Many thanks. Rachel

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Dave Joy
29/10/2019 11:37:16 am

Hi Rachel. Thanks for getting in touch. I presume you have read the “Hoggs, Herds and Cows” article elsewhere on my website. Unfortunately, that account includes very little information about your great-grandfather Robert Hogg (1905-1962) and does not mention any involvement he may have had at Jericho Farm.

I’ve checked my notes and here is what I do have about your lineage:

Robert Hogg’s father (your 2nd great-grandfather) was also named Robert Hogg and he lived from 1880 until 1929. His father (your 3rd great-grandfather) was John Hogg (1848-1922). John had acquired the tenancy of Jericho Farm by the time of the 1911 census. But, when he died, in 1922, the tenancy passed to his son James (b.1884) rather than to Robert.

Your 2nd great-grandfather, Robert, married Sarah Davies in October 1903 and by the time of the 1911 census, was keeping cows at 49 Hawkstone Street, Liverpool. By then they had two children: Robert jnr. (6) and the newly-born Sarah jnr. At some point he relocated to farm near Preston as, when he died, in 1929, he was living at High Barn Farm, near Preston. The Preston connection is reinforced by the fact that when his son, Robert, married Jessie Mavis Greenwood in October 1932, the ceremony took place at Penwortham Bridge Methodist Chapel.

So, no obvious connection with Jericho Farm is evident from that but it does not preclude Robert working there some time in his late teens. It is possible he was working for his uncle, James, who held the tenancy. James passed on the tenancy to his son, James Leslie, who held it right up until the land was converted to playing fields in 1964.

The occupier of Jericho Farm would have been listed in the trade directories under the heading ‘Farmers’. Unfortunately, the records I have at hand are those for ‘Cowkeepers’ and for ‘Dairymen’. The next time I visit the archives I will check the trade directories for Farmers at Jericho Farm.

Sorry I could not be of more help.

Dave

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Rachel Goody
29/10/2019 09:10:57 pm

Hi Dave,
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and informative reply. It means a lot to us to hear about our family tree even if indirectly.
Sorry to have to ask but do you or Janet Dolton have any further photographs of the farm or Hogg family other than the ones online?
Thanks again

Rachel

Dave Joy
30/10/2019 05:20:31 pm

Hi Rachel,

I'll pass on your request to Janet. It so happens that I've just added another photo to the Hogg family article. It's of James Hogg at Jericho Farm in the 1930s. It was sent to me by his grand-daughter, Shirley Paddle, who came to see me at the Liverpool Heritage and Culture event at the Central Library, last weekend.

Dave.

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Dave Joy
5/7/2020 10:21:21 am

Hi Rachel,

Just to let you know that I've been able to add more photos of Jericho Farm to the "Hoggs, Herds and Cows" article. Plus, there's a new article on the life and times of Thomas Leslie Hogg ('Tomog').

Dave.

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mark mcloughlin
19/7/2020 03:32:40 am

i enjoyed your post about the metcalfe family dairy, as i used to work for them in the mid sixties

i did the milkround with one of the milkmen when i was about 8 years old.
i was just dissapointed that you didnt cover more up until the present day or if / when they ceased to trade
they were still operating from lower breck at that time, keep up the good work, mark

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Dave Joy
23/7/2020 03:26:45 pm

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed the article. The official records only tell so much about who lived where and when. For more recent information - within living memory - I am dependant on people coming forward and contributing their memoirs and memories so that I can record them and share them with a wider audience. So, I would love to hear more about your memories of working at the Metcalfe's dairy! Dave.

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Philip Santer
8/4/2022 12:17:29 pm

Hi Dave, great to find your page.

My Mother was Jean Mudd daughter of Bryan and Katherine of 43 Breck road(when we visited) she married my father Jesse Santer a farmer from Hawkhurst in Kent and had 3 sons John, Bryan and Philip

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Dave Joy
8/4/2022 04:05:40 pm

Thanks, Philip. Glad you're enjoying my website. I'll add that snippet of information to my article on the Mudd family. Dave.

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